Iran All The Way Home

I happened upon something yesterday that caused me to question my ability to evaluate people, and it took me until now to be able to even address it.

Does anybody know why we're so concerned about Iran when it was Osama and the boys from Saudi Arabia that killed 3000 people on our soil?

That, in essence, is what I chanced upon, and when I recovered from the shock, I scribbled something about Iran's sponsoring terrorism and its desire to acquire nuclear weapons – likely for the express purpose of destroying Israel, but I couldn't even get that last part out before I had to go to my quiet place and scream.

Why I should have  to answer any of this is incredible to me, but because I've been fond of the writer, I can't get his disconnect out of my mind. What has Osama got to do with Saudi Arabia? Was he saying that nineteen of the hijackers were agents of the Saudi government?

And what if the writer himself had engineered and carried out a similar plan with some of his friends, should we then attack – let me just take any random country – let's say, Malaysia?

The original point of his blog entry was to point out that an American General had said that while Iranian markings had been found on weapons in Afghanistan, that, in itself, is not evidence that Iran is directly supplying either weapons or training.

To that I ask, "Yeah, so?"

Let's say that we found "Made in Malaysia," on and RPG launcher, should we assume that country had no involvement, or should we tell them that regardless of how the launcher got there, we'd better not find another?

Unless my friend was in some way trying to imply that we're not the good guys?

Because if we are, then it doesn't matter in what order we hold governments accountable, what matters is that we're trying to bring order to a primitive world in the hope that a free people will behave more responsibly and benefit economically.

Would you prefer the Taliban? Would you prefer that Hussein was still in power.?

How about Ahmadinejad? It's he just misunderstood?

Sometimes when you write with your heart, it's ugly, but it shows the true you. On rare occasions, your mind is able to tell your heart it's wrong and overrule it. If your environment or ideology won't let you see clearly, is your duty to reason or circumstances?

We'll see…

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A longtime veteran of comedy and political forums, I decided that I needed a more restful venue because... well... I finally hate everybody. Except my wife that is... and my ex-wife.. and... no, that's about it. I lead about as simple a life as one can, preferring activities that include anything that doesn't involve going out and seeing YOU! And I particularly enjoy what I call "Get the Bitch" movies on Lifetime. You know the ones where the intended victim finally does something so incredibly stupid that she forfeits her right to live, and from that moment on you're rooting for the stalker. Of course, it rarely works out the way you want, but when it does, the feeling you get is... well, there's nothing else like it, other than, maybe, eating chocolate chip cookies. Oh, and I'm proudly anti-wildlife, both foreign and domestic, and anti-environment - especially foreign environments. I think Howard Stern put it best when he said, "If fifty percent of the population died tomorrow, I can live with that." And I feel the same about the other fifty percent, so together, we've pretty much got it all covered.
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13 Responses to Iran All The Way Home

  1. Great post. Right on!

  2. Iran all the way home, just to say I'm sorry. That's an oldie but goodie…O.K., now to the meat. I don't know either, I look to you for many answers. I keep thinking the whole world is in disarray and headed for the looney bin. That is not really true. The Arabs are causing all the trouble around the world. O.K. that narrows it down. Why Iran? Because of Their President making all those radical statements how he is going to nuke Israel and the U.S. I do believe that the Saudi government lied to us when they befriended us because they wanted us to protect them at the same time we were rescuing Kuwait. They got the benefit of our military fighting the Republican Guard , plus a big fancy military air base, training and our jets. We have been removed from that air base, but I am not sure why. Syria and Turkey are aggressive nations also.Maybe the world would be better off w/o Arabs if this is the best they can offer the world. They don't contribute to any causes like fighting Aids, cancer or the poor. They are only interested in war, beheading people and their culture.I just wondered for a moment what the world would be like without them and sorry to be heartless, but I smiled because our troops could come home and the world could rest for awhile.

  3. TedWest says:

    May I offer a possible correction for your consideration? That it's not Arabs, it's Muslims. Someone was beheaded in Thailand today. Do you think Christians did that? Or Buddhists? Everywhere there's Muslims, there's trouble.
    This is the 21st century, and I'm sick of coddling primitives. Let's put them in a zoo if people want to see them.
    As for your being heartless, let me relieve you of that burden.
    I have long advocated The Day The Earth Stood Still proclamation …
    Michael Rennie offered this to chew on – that a people could fight all they wanted amongst themselves (Hamas vs Fatah, Iraq vs. Iran, etc.), but when they threaten to export their violence to innocents, it will not be tolerated.
    Now here's the key part:
    They can live in peace or they can continue what they are doing and face – obliteration –
    Today, no one has the stomach for that, which reminds me of that Simon and Garfunkel song, "Where have you gone Mr. Truman…?"

  4. Wow, I may have struck a nerve….Actually you guys tried to pin North Korea's nuclear program on us because the nuts and bolts were "Made in Malaysia"….what's more, the company's being run by the current Prime Minister's son.Osama is a Saudi, and his family is actually close friends to the Saud, thus the connection."Because if we are, then it doesn't matter in what order we hold
    governments accountable, what matters is that we're trying to bring
    order to a primitive world in the hope that a free people will behave
    more responsibly and benefit economically."I must admit your intentions are good, however, your methods are deplorable in the sense of trying to get us to "behave more responsibly and benefit automatically".No, I would not like the Taliban to still be in power, but I don't like having them resurface just because your allies are not doing the job you paid them to do, causing more harm.No, I would not like Saddam to still be around, but considering that it is now evident that he was the only one standing in the way of what's happening now makes me wonder why America is doing what Iraq itself should be doing.I commend Ahmadinejad for wanting to bring some modern advancement to a region that you yourself deem primitive, no matter what the rest of the world might say. Which is exactly what Bush did when he went to war in Iraq without the UN's consent.

  5. ….There's no trouble in Malaysia, or Singapore, or China or Indonesia (most of it), or the UK….or America, or Turkey……I'll leave Syria out because of the recent bombing that killed an MP.As for Thailand, they're separatists. Philippines have the same problem. When you segregate the Muslim population into an area way down South of your country, and then leave it in a primitive state, with no development whatsoever, it was bound to happen.

  6. TedWest says:

    I invited you to come back when you had your head on straight. Instead I got this? The reason you "struck a nerve" is because you may not have heard, but I don't react well to stupid?
    As a minor example, the next time you quote me, try copy and paste.
    "There's no trouble in Malaysia, or Singapore, or China or Indonesia (most of it), or the UK….or America, or Turkey……"
    Are you insane? Or just being Muslim? Or are they inseparable?..
    Malaysia – a woman can't leave a religion she didn't choose to join.
    Then there's this: .
    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The United States accused its Arab allies Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman and Qatar on Tuesday of being among the world's worst offenders in failing to prevent people from being sold into the sex trade and servitude.
    Algeria, Equatorial Guinea and Malaysia were also added to the bottom — Tier 3 — ranking of countries that failed to meet minimum U.S. standards on combating human trafficking or of making significant efforts to improve their record.
    The others in this category were Cuba, Iran, Myanmar, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Syria, Uzbekistan and Venezuela.
    Under U.S. law, these countries have 90 days to improve their record or face sanctions.
    ———
    And that's only what Iknow, since Malaysia isn't significant enough to spend a lot of time on.
    Singapore? OK, I'll give you the exception to the rule, but China? Are you kidding? You wouldn't dare.
    Indonesia? Are you that ill-informed, or are you just noting the lull?
    Britain? Did you hear about the bombings? The plot foiling? The Mohammed cartoon reactions? Anything ring a bell?
    America? You have more never than I can ever imagine, Turkey!
    I feel now that I misjudged you – or rather that I judged you right in my initial reaction.

  7. sigh, did you have to make the whole thing in bold?=)my neck's fine, other than a bit sore. stupid flat pillows.Oh please, we've just denied that report in our press. Remember when you guys said our Internal Securities Act was a draconian law and then went out and did the same thing?And we welcome the sanctions if it ever comes to that. We'll just sell our palm oil to China. Heck, Lina Joy can choose her religion. Go ahead. She could have obeyed the law, made her conversion official and get married, instead she decided to screw the law and go about on her own business.So now she can't officially get married in our country. So what? She can go overseas, get married, come back and just live her life. Seriously, her case was just blown out or proportion.I did mention most of Indonesia, right? From what I understand, being in the region and having relatives there, it is peaceful throughout most of the country, except the Sulawesi islands. And even then, it is mentioned that the violence is not religious, but rather tribal in nature.Something about the Madura and the Kadazans never getting along.Okay, so Britain was wrong to be put on that list, remembering Irshad Manji's article which you put up.What's wrong with Turkey?Well, perhaps you did judge me well, and thought you could convert me. Who knows.

  8. TedWest says:

    I don't try to convert anyone. I look for rational people, and I gave you the benefit of the doubt. I was wrong. If ever you have an epiphany, you're welcome to come back, but judging by your most recent idiotic comments, that won't be anytime soon. Now get off my blog.

  9. Miseur West, I invite you to clean up your countries act before attacking anyone else. I also ask that you persecute Jews and Christians with your anti-religious tirades. For Jewish problems one need look no further than the strife in their homeland – the combined Israel-Palestine.For Christian problems look to the American midwest or, to stretch it a tad, the historical context of Christianity; the sweeping bloodbaths that were the crusades, then the witchburnings and even recently the murder, brutall murder, by Christians of black people. Ahh… Americans, so hypocritical. Also in a historical context one must consider the Christian and Jewsih laws, especially those in the old testament, which brutally subjucate/d women and gay people. If you like, Christianity is currently only a slightly more commercialist, older brother of Islam. But that is not the point. I would ask you to cease making sweeping generalisations about a largely peacefull religion that you so-clearly know nothing about. Myself, I am an aethiest, but I have taken the time to study many religions to see if they were the right ones for me. I urge you to study religions before you attack them in such a grandiose and generalised way. It would make me happy if you attacked all religion (especially the Abrahamics) on the basis of their lack of truth and the way they contradict themselves, however, this current display of ignorance makes you seem insignificant and slightly idiotic.Yours Sincerely,Shades_Of_GreyP.S. I'm sorry for the rant.

  10. TedWest says:

    Oh no, don't be sorry, it was exactly the sort of thing I was hoping for. And you do yourself a disservice by characterizing that as a rant, it was more like a hate inspired diatribe..
    But at least you took a cue from My Little Muslim and demonstrated once again that just because one is wacko doesn't mean he can't be respectful.
    Now get this straight, you non-threatening anti-Semite, I don't know what sort of scum you associate with, but anyone who would even consider holding the Jews responsible for what is happening to them in the Middle East is not someone I want to know exists, much less have a pleasant conversation with about how we might hasten Israel's demise.
    To anyone else who's interested, I'll be posting an assessment of what has transpired here and elsewhere, but in the meantime, I'm doing something that's a lot more fun – alternately hitting myself in the head with a ballpeen hammer and slamming the car door on my fingers.

  11. Chad says:

    I apologize in advance, Ted. I know it is traditionally a breach of etiquette to comment on comments as opposed to commenting on the original post (unless you're the author), but I'm fed up with suprarational tripe vendors like Shades of Grey who can't come up with anything more original than parroting their "bash Christianity macro." S.O.G…huh, now that's an appropriate acronym. Reminds me of a river in Iceland where brown trout are prevalent. But some ppl think it's just crap…like your following suicidal statements."For Christian problems look to the American midwest or, to stretch it a
    tad, the historical context of Christianity; the sweeping bloodbaths
    that were the crusades, then the witchburnings and even recently the
    murder, brutall murder, by Christians of black people. Ahh…
    Americans, so hypocritical."And…"I would ask you to cease making sweeping generalizations about a
    largely peacefull religion that you so-clearly know nothing about."You mean like you just did about Christianity? If you don't believe in it SOG, then by all means DON'T DO IT! And here's a little piece of advice: lose the fake accent; everybody knows you're not French.

  12. TedWest says:

    Chad, first off, congrats on the acronym. I felt a bit envious.
    That said, your apology is not accepted. The way I look at it, you did the dirty work I wasn't willing to do, and while it may be true elsewhere, it's hard to accuse you of bad form on a blog that has no form at all.
    I usually find myself unable to answer examples of extreme stupidity because if one's mind led one to those conclusions in the first place, how could anything I say set that fool straight? So I merely label him for what he is and move on. Sure I may have some fun with a bit of additional ridicule, but that's merely to keep my skills up.
    Besides that, I could be wrong, but Old Soggy appeared to be British. I got that from what seems like a typical English misspelling of "atheist" where something seemingly akin to dyslexia causes them to insert unnecessary vowels.
    And if I'm right on the British part, the rest falls into place, what with their now rampant anti-Semitism, and inability to recognize that their society is being corrupted from within, not the least of which is owing to the Muslim hordes.
    However, I was so amused by his disclosure that he'd studied various religions in order to choose the best one that that I feel it bears mentioning again. How did that go, I wonder?
    SOG: "Islam, Judaism, Christianity, which to choose, which to choose? Wait a minute, I just realized, all those have God, and I'm an atheist…!?!"
    But the fun stops at the mention of the Jews being a "problem." They are, in fact, a society now more advanced than the British, but which also may be doing itself in – in their case, by accommodation.
    And his mention of Christianity in America and likening it to the Muslim fascism and chaos.. well, all one can say if one can bring himself to answer civilly is, "Yeah, that's the same."
    Just like Aput's advancing an uneasy peace in Indonesia as an example of a problem-free Muslim society.
    So when SOG admonishes us to "clean up your countries (sic) act," you first want to laugh, but that feeling is immediately supplanted by the realization of what was missing in his mind that allowed him not only to say that, but to believe it. The issue with Aput that started all this is the same sort of thing.- blind bias, leading to a general conclusion, hold the facts and logic.
    And with Aput, it wasn't the first time. it wasn't even the first time that day. You should see what he considered an amusing rewrite of the Pledge of Allegiance…
    I'd been overlooking it previously because you allow for some youthful stupidity and insipidity, but on that day, and with that amount of idiocy, enough was enough.
    In other words, Chad, you have my thanks and appreciation.

  13. A) I am not an anti-semite. I am anti-every religion, in the fashion of Richard Dawkins. B) I wasn't blaming the Jews for the problems in the Middle East, however I was blaming the Israelis (the vast majority of whom are Jewish) and the Palestinians for hundreds of thousands of needless deaths. However, the main aim of the rant was to point out that every religion creates problems, especially violent ones.C) Christianity has many problems, from bombing abortion clinics to the crusades. I agree that my generalisations, especially the one which is anti-American, were out of place. This may be better: Ahh… this specific American, such a hypocrite. But then again, perhaps not, considering the polls which show 50%+ of Americans to be "from somewhat to a great extent" living in fear and hatred of Muslims. C) I was going to put in something asking you to read the holy texts of many and varied religions, however I am not going to waste my time. D) America has many problems, I ask that, instead of attempting to fix the problems that everyone else has, fix your own first. Then you can afford to play the almighty, sacrosanct warden of the world. I say the same to my own leaders.E) I'm not British, I'm Australian. I dislike your corruption of the English language. Please use the correct vowels.F) I realise that you believe Christianity not to have any "fascism and chaos" inherent within it, which shows not only your lack of political understanding but also of history. Islam can be likened to a semi-evolved Christianity, in fact, its currently going through a period highly simmilar to the crusades, where the Christians rained down on the Arab holy lands in an attempt to reclaim the sacred sites and purge the "heathen scum". Goodnight and Goodluck,~Shades

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